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tyrone: welcome to the podcast! today, iã­vegot sean from manila at the moment, he usually is in bangkok but heã­s flown over to manila.iã­ll let him tell you the story behind why heã­s in manila right now and why heã­s notin bangkok. i came across meeting sean through dan andrews and seanã­s a lifestyle entrepreneurand iã­m really excited to share his story with you because heã­s got a very interestingstory. it will encourage you to look at a


bangkok to do

bangkok to do, different way of being in the business andalso looking at having a lifestyle and combining both of those together. so, welcome to thecall sean and itã­s great to have you on! sean: itã­s great to be here, thanks. tyrone: letã­s start off with just maybe sharinga little bit more about your story to the

audience to tell them a little bit more aboutwhat currently youã­re doing or letã­s take a step back. where did you start and how didyou get to where you are right now? sean: so originally, iã­m from the unitedstates, portland oregon. i graduated in a university like three years ago and i didthe traditional thing. i got a desk job, i worked in finance, suit-and-tie and it tookme about six months to realize that really, it was not the route i want to be going. istayed in that job up until the end of last year and finally i was like, ã¬you know what,i canã­t handle this anymoreã–i have to do something more interesting, more adventurousand so.ã® i left my job and thatã­s when i got in touch with dan and he said, ã¬hey,iã­ve got this opportunity in south east asia,

building some businesses and i want someoneto come out here and help me do that.ã® so i come again, here i hopped on a flight andhe basically said to pick a city where you want to go to and i said i want to go to thailand.i said i want to go to thailand so i hanged out in thailand for a month and i was kindof stuck. tyrone: and you also got a popular blog aswell, location180. i was actually following your blog for sometime and you got some reallyinteresting stories you share on there. whatã­s got you started writing in the blog? sean: well the whole reason i started theblog was because i knew i wanted to make a change and i had no idea what to do. i waslike i have got all these thoughts going through

my mind, i wanted to travel and i wanted todo something entrepreneurial. i just kind of said iã­m going to start a blog; iã­m goingto start writing and see whatever it takes me. i started it last may, itã­s may 2009.if you go back, the first posts were kind of about lots of places. iã­m talking abouttravel, trips iã­ve taken in the past, and also some random stuff. finally, i got intouch with some of the right people and got to find a niche that really seem to be workingfor me. that was the coolest part of the whole blog ã³ it helps you build up a sports system.by the time it came to make a decision to leave the job, i had all those people to helpme out, all supportive of it. thatã­s a nice by-product blog that i wasnã­t expecting.

tyrone: thatã­s nice. what weã­re you doingas you said before youã­ve decided flying to bangkok, what were you actually doing inunited states? sean: i was a financial analyst. i work fora small money management firm so iã­m basically crunched in numbers. i was researching stocksand helping decide whether or not they were the right things to be purchased for clients,some things like that. but, part of the problem was itã­s such a small company that you knowi was fresh out of school and theyã­re like ã¬you didnã­t really know what youã­re talkingaboutã–ã® kind of thing. i never really gained detraction. theyã­re able to pay a littlemore attention or raise the youth but i didnã­t think it wouldnã­t work out better. it wasjust wasnã­t the right type of business for

me. tyrone: okay, but youã­re still having a secureincome back there. youã­re living a decent life over there and to take that leap of faithand to jump over to bangkok to do what youã­re currently doing. it really took a lot of gutsdidnã­t it, to do what you did? sean: oh, it was terrifying. i remember theday when i left my job, i was like ã¬oh crap, now what do i do?ã® but, it was amazing howquickly things turn to fall into place. we didnã­t know that in a week iã­ll have otherjob opportunities, iã­ll have opportunities to travel and find friends. i really kindof found that when youã­re in a position to start embracing opportunities, youã­re neverreally going to find them. when i was in my

job i wasnã­t really looking for new things.but as soon as i didnã­t have that burden, then all sorts of things started to open upfor me. tyrone: itã­s amazing when you actually setyourself free from one place and you go into a new place, it just changes everything. sean: absolutely. tyrone: i notice youã­ve been sweating there,is it hotter there in manila at the moment? sean: itã­s a little hot here. itã­s likewe donã­t have an aircon and now, iã­m not seated in front of the fan anymore. itã­sdefinitely right up cooler there in bangkok. tyrone: all right, letã­s talk a little bitmore about currently where youã­re at. youã­ve

flown into manila and what was the story behindthat one. itã­s only been in the last week since it happened. sean: yes, so basically iã­ve been in bangkokfor the last four months, and thereã­s been a little bit of civil unrest. thereã­ve beena lot of protests going on and everything has kind of come into ahead during the lastweek or so, ten days. it was at the point where my apartment building happened to beone block away from very keypoint of confrontation between the protesters and the military. iwoke up one day and i went out to lunch and there was like 50 soldiers marching down mystreet and by the end of the night there would be constant gunfires, constant explosionsand i fell asleep watching clashes go off

my window with all the bombs going off. itwas pretty intense situation and it only got worse, my neighborhood has been basicallyburnt in the ground. i spent the last few days in bangkok over a friendã­s house onthe other side of town and finally the military decided to move in on the main entrapmentwhere the protesters were. that was when everything really went down and i just didnã­t see wherethe safe place be. i believe the country anyway is facing some visa reasons so i was likewell, where can i go? i called up dan and said iã­m coming to manila. five hours later,i was on a flight. tyrone: so youã­re in manila right now catchingup with dan. letã­s jump now to whatã­s happening with yourself and dan where youã­ve come ontothe mba program with dan. has it been six

months yet? sean: yeah, i think he started it in novemberso about six months ago. tyrone: okay, maybe to share with the audience,what is this tropical mba that youã­ve been participating with danã­s business as well? sean: behind the idea of the tropical mbais that you can go out and you can spend two years of your life and get $100,000 to geta traditional mba. obviously, you get to learn stuff but youã­re not learning in a lot ofreal, hands-on things that you need to know to run a business. and so, he said you knowwhat that systemã­s broken ã³ i can come out here, i can bring someone in and i can payfor their general living expenses, teach them

how to build a business and everybody getsabout that. so, iã­m coming out here and brought me to very high level of their business ã³basically said jump in. youã­ve been kind of getting cents in the first couple of weeksof the areas where you can add some value. anytime i needed help with anything or hadany idea that is, theyã­re always there. really, itã­s kind of being served by mentors. wework from building these businesses together. itã­s a cool, unique program and over thecoming years, i would expect a lot more things that will be driven this way because i knowthat the value that iã­ve taken from this program is equal, if not greater to anythingi would have got from traditional education. tyrone: awesome. it sounds like things aregoing really well for you. were you expecting

to be at in six months time since the start? sean: i donã­t know where i expect it to bein six months but iã­m really happy with the place that iã­m in. like i said i kind offigured out what iã­m going to be doing that comes alive. itã­s a six-month program andwe continue to work together ã³ just a matter of whether i stay in thailand, or like inmanila, will i go back in the states. itã­s cool to have that flexibility that not manypeople do. itã­s all been exciting. tyrone: definitely. it sounds like becausethe business is that you and danã­s business is very mobile, you can run the business toanywhere. thatã­s the reason why danã­s in the philippines and then his partnerã­s insan diego, and youã­re over thailand.

sean: yeah, thatã­s right. tyrone: and youã­re able to manage your mobilebusiness. sean: so we work with a team of people herein the philippines who are awesome. i think thatã­s been one of the most exciting thingfor me to be coming out here. sitting about 20 feet away from you right now, i get tosit down and work with them on a day-to-day basis these people that iã­ve been talkingto 4-5 hours a day, i never thought i get to meet them personally, thatã­s pretty fun. tyrone: thatã­s awesome. well, letã­s delveinto outsourcing which is a key topic that i think a lot of people are interested in.because now youã­ve got first-hand experience

with them physically sitting in manila rightnow, what kind of things currently the business is doing outsourcing to the philippines andhow does that been very beneficial for yourself and also to the business? sean: essentially, weã­ve got a team of fivepeople right now i think. weã­ve got two very dedicated developers, a designer, and alsocouple of people doing general kind of link building and article marketing kinds of tasks.itã­s cool because you find people up here who are motivated, they really want to work,theyã­re well educated and they speak english. you donã­t have that communication barrierã³ thereã­s a lot of people that you might have had in other developing countries. soitã­s really been a beneficial thing for our

business to see weã­ve got to have those dedicatedskills for the design, development and all that stuff and we can do it in much affordablecost as opposed to what would be in california, something like that. tyrone: what are we looking at, say for examplesomeone whoã­s just started out in outsourcing and theyã­re intersted in finding developerslike youã­re looking at right now it maybe for wordpress, php, drupal, any of those technicalstuff, what would you say itã­s like the cost of hiring someone in the us compared in hiringsomeone in the philippines? sean: well, i mean for any decent developerin the united states, thereã­s such a wide range. thereã­s people who are college studentsthat are having their another investment or

there are people doing nothing and then youã­llget professionals making six-figure incomes. i would say that the average person in theunited states is charging or making $50,000 a year, when you look at what you can getout in the philippines, granted some of the numbers get thrown around that there are reallyexpensive amount ã³ 100 bucks a month, 200 bucks a month, those are little unrealisticwhen youã­re trying to hire high level skills. but still, certainly not $50,000 a year. itã­smuch more affordable. tyrone: definitely, that means that youã­rebe able to leverage potentially a lot more with still hiring one person. in united states,you could hire up probably five instead and you can get as much time done quicker as well.

sean: with the amount of money you aim forone person in united states, youã­re getting a team of people that cover a variety of skillsthatã­s here. tyrone: absolutely. so far from your experienceof working with them, whatã­s been the differences between working with westerners and to peopleworking in the philippines. whatã­s the culture or whatã­s been the work ethic with them.how did you find working with them? sean: one of things i found in the philippinesis that from the moment i step foot in manila, it seems like california. itã­s very americanizedhere especially compared to thailand or any other developing countries. itã­s got peoplethat for fun they drink coors light and watch the nba. you can relate to them more thanyou can relate with other cultures i think.

like i said, the fact that most of them speakfluent english here, it makes everything much easier from both the social land of businessaspects. i feel like iã­m able to talk to them, get to know them and joke around withthem and that translates over to a good business relationship. i kind of getting involved witheverything that weã­re doing and been excited with the projects and i think thatã­s themost beneficial things weã­ve done in trying to build the business. tyrone: thatã­s excellent. since you mentionedabout talking about projects, a lot of people probably are also interested in finding outhow do you go about managing the projects. like say for example youã­ve got a team offive people now and obviously you wouldnã­t

be just managing with one person day in dayout, you probably have been dealing with multiple staff or team environment, what are some ofthe systems youã­ve got in place thatã­s able to help you work from bangkok or anywherefrom around the world that has enabled you to move through these projects quickly andget them completed on schedule? sean: generally, one of the most importantthings we do is we try to setup channels of communications so that people are bombardedwith constant messages. weã­ve got our team of people back in san diego, theyã­ll be sendingto us and we get 20-30 emails a day from the day of request. by filtering those throughsomeone like me or having them sort out which are the high priorities are and then transferthat into team, theyã­ll be bombarded of messages.

theyã­re receiving of messages from a dozenof people so itã­s really by organizing business in that sense. i think itã­s definitely helpedto increase the productivity as well as the clear communication. also, we found that usingskype is one of the best ways to coordinate with people. to talk whether itã­s conferencecalls, group chats, or quick questions, by setting up their skypes so that all they cansee is their work contacts. itã­s really an effective tool which is just sometimes underratedby other people. tyrone: absolutely, communication is crucial.youã­re basically acting us a filtering mechanism for the business to be able to get the workdone and make sure itã­s been sent over to right department or people so that work canbe done on time and completed. do you use

a project management system to do all thator do you just communicate via email and skype? sean: we also use the basecamp. thereã­s definitelysome pros and cons there and weã­re also in the process of seeing if thereã­s somethingelse thatã­s better out there but thatã­s what weã­re currently using. tyrone: thatã­s great. iã­ve heard over topeople who are outsourcing over to the philippines and using basecamphq as well so itã­s quitea simplistic system thatã­s something that we understand. also, if i remember correctly,dan mentioned that youã­ve got an office so have you, has your team or your company havepurchased a building? or is it just an old building and you setup an office or is itjust youã­ve hired another company to do this

for you? sean: that was one of the biggest reasonsi cannot hear timing lies thatã­s worked out. weã­ve just moved in our office last weekthatã­s actually i said it more looked like a call center than an office. there was anotherexpat here out here that had some space and dan talked to him. couple of days later, herewe are. itã­s really cool for the team to be able to come working on a centralized location,hang out with each other. i think it does a lot with productivity. itã­s like aftera while, not seeing anybody, you get a little lonely in your home office. itã­s definitelysomething that will help the social culture of the business. i think that having themto come in here four days a week could really

be good for morale and productivity. tyrone: excellent. so over time as the businessgrows, as yourself starts to grow the business and take a step back, what is it that youã­llneed to do to get yourself outside the business to be able to achieve that lifestyle of beingable to live the 4-hour, 10-hour work week working at most two hours a day. this is ithink something that a lot of people want to know because as youã­re going through thetropical mba program, youã­re learning how we design the businesses so weã­ll have theflexibility of lifestyle. sean: exactly. tyrone: how do you think we can achieve that?

sean: well i think thereã­s a variety of waysthat we can do it. i know from me personally, iã­ve got my own personal website, iã­ve gotmy own personal project thatã­ll be coming out there and thereã­ll be big product launchthat iã­ll be doing in the next couple of months that iã­m excited about. by creatingthe passive income on a personal level, that will enable me to have the income and littlebit of security and flexibility of my life from the general business standpoint. i thinkthe most important thing is being passionate about what youã­re doing. i come in here andi work, helping grow businesses and i donã­t necessary feel like itã­s work. you got the4-hour, 10-hour work weeks and i donã­t think any of those are necessarily true. i thinktim ferriss probably works more than anybody

who has every read his book. i think continuingthe scale of the business or the things that we should focus on most is creating scalableprocesses that we can outsource or have other people do and we can be a million-dollar orfifty-million dollar business, but the same general level of work is involved. once youget to that level and things start changing, as long as you got the right processes inplace, itã­s going to automate things and free up some of your time and youã­ll be ingood shape. thatã­s what weã­re trying to do here. tyrone: dan and yourself have been talkinga lot about scaling. define ã¬scalingã® in your terms.

sean: define scaling in my termsã– i thinkthe most important thing is being extremely queer about what youã­re trying to do. sowhen you create a process for instance one of the things we do is article marketing campaign.iã­ve got a very detailed process for knowing exactly what needs to be written, what theterms are and where they should be submitted, if i could give that to one person, 10 peopleor 50 people or how many people working on it and they can look at that and know exactlywhat they need to do, then thatã­s scalable. things like that, itã­s basically saying weã­regoing to do all the work now so in the future, thereã­ll be no additional work that needsto be done in terms of growing the business. definitely you can grow it organically byhaving the same process in place.

tyrone: itã­s really having like say for exampleyour flowchart of step by step documentations. all the things are in place to train the peopleso that they can take this all and you donã­t have to repeat the process over and over again,or coming back to sean for example to do the work. sean: exactly. especially when you got oneperson doing it, by the time you bring on another person to do it, the first is an expert.instead of me training them, itã­s them training them and it grows that way. thatã­s workedout well so far. tyrone: all right, weã­ve talked a lot aboutthe benefits and closures of outsourcing. what about some of personal issues or thingsthat youã­ve come across or challenges for

outsourcing the business? sean: i think that a lot of the challengesthat arise from outsourcing are the same issues that will arise in traditional business. forinstance, generally speaking people out here are extremely motivated, extremely hard working,but then youã­ll also get a lot of people who arenã­t. youã­ll have a lot of peoplethat are working home, they can say like ã¬you canã­t see me, you donã­t really know whatiã­m doing.ã® and sometimes theyã­ll tend to slack off a little bit. you really haveto keep an eye on those types of people and make sure that theyã­re not just trying totake advantage of you. weã­ve run into that a little bit but not really and generallyeveryone weã­re working with are extremely

motivated and they really feel are part ofthe team. tyrone: have you had any issues recently orin the past with hiring people? what are some of the things that you may have. have youhad someone whoã­s started or after a week or so it just didnã­t work out? sean: i think with dan i got first involved.generally iã­ve been working with the same team since i got here. weã­ve actually hiredone or two more people since iã­ve been here and we havenã­t had to get rid of anyone.i think he first started with a little bit of a learning curve trying to figure out exactlyhow to do business some things like that. he could probably tell you about that morethan i could but so far itã­s worked out well.

i think one of the keys that you can run throughis thereã­s people who speak extremely fluent english and they sound like theyã­re fromcalifornia and there are others who can speak it but can still have the strong accent. sometimesif you try to talk to them on the phone with a bad connection over skype it can be a littlebit difficult to understand. so i think communication eventhough if itã­s much easier here in thephilippines opposed to some places like thailand, still itã­s definitely one of the bigger issues. tyrone: absolutely. have you hired anyonefrom thailand by the way since youã­re over there? sean: not from thailand. generally eventhoughiã­m physically in bangkok, pretty much all

the work iã­ve been doing is back from statesand over here in the philippines. tyrone: is there any future expansion intoother countries or is it just going to be solely focused on hiring people from the philippines? sean: you know thatã­s a good question! ithink right now in terms of what weã­re doing, i think the philippines is where itã­s at.i think in terms of the quality of talent, affordability, i think thatã­s really thedirection that everythingã­s heading. i think we might see more expansion in the statesback in our san diego office but i think generally in terms of a lot of stuff weã­re doing, weã­regoing to be really focused in the philippines trying to get things in the next level here.

tyrone: fantastic. weã­ve talked a lot aboutthe business side, plans and the past and futures of the business, what do you havefor yourself sean. what are your future plans in terms of lifestyle, fun activities, andtraveling stuffs like that, what are your plans? sean: iã­ve got all sorts of things planned.iã­ll be doing the course over the next ten years. one of the biggest things is when istarted my blog location180, i put a list of stuff that i do want to accomplish on earth.all the fun things i want to do in my life and so iã­ve been slowly kind of plowing awaythose activities. i think that the more time i free up through the passive income stuffand bigger businesses i get, the more i get

to work on the fun stuff like skydiving, goingscuba, those kinds of things. tyrone: you got a big bucketlist thing therei remember. sean: itã­s like a hundred items or somethingright now but itã­s been interesting. iã­ve been randomly crossing things off. i wentto the airport and i had no idea where else i got to go so that happened just last weekand i was still debating between hongkong and singapore. i thought i gave dan a calland came up to philippines. that was one thing and i had a benefit coming here. well, itlets me have a good time and still gives me the freedom of time and i think thatã­s themost important thing. definitely iã­m right past so far so iã­ve been doing this for thenext four months and for the next 40 years.

tyrone: absolutely, sounds awesome. thatã­sfantastic. if anyone wants to get in contact with you sean, how can i contact you and wherecan i go to find out what you currently do? sean: well the best ways to contact me arethrough my website which is www.seanogle.com, s-e-a-n-o-g-l-e, or you can email me at sean@seanogle.com.those are probably the two easiest ways, iã­m with my computer all the time so iã­m nota real difficult person to get in touch with. very cool, one other thing that i will mentionis iã­ve been doing a tropical mba program and i was per semester. thereã­s a secondsemester, dan is accepting applications for that. itã­s a little bit different. itã­sbasically giving the opportunity to come down to a tropical island in the philippines, haveall their expenses paid down there and we

work on projects 2-3 hours a day, while continuingto work on whatever projects theyã­ve got for themselves so itã­s really unique opportunity.if you go to tropicalmba.com, you can find about that. i know that this opportunity haschanged my lifeã–so much. itã­s been honestly the best thing that could happen for me. ifyou give someone else an opportunity thatã­s something similar, thatã­s pretty cool. tyrone: thatã­s awesome. i love to share thatwith everyone. i think thatã­s a great thing. for anyone who wants to find out more, justgo to tropicalmba.com. i think we can also get in contact with dan andrews as well andheã­s got a lot information, highly recommended. well, sean, thanks so much for your time today,itã­s been a pleasure to interview you. thanks

for sharing all your inside tips on outsourcingto the philippines and iã­ll definitely catch up soon again. all the best! sean: thanks a lot, i appreciate it.


tyrone: welcome to the podcast! today, iã­vegot sean from manila at the moment, he usually is in bangkok but heã­s flown over to manila.iã­ll let him tell you the story behind why heã­s in manila right now and why heã­s notin bangkok. i came across meeting sean through dan andrews and seanã­s a lifestyle entrepreneurand iã­m really excited to share his story with you because heã­s got a very interestingstory. it will encourage you to look at a


bangkok to do

bangkok to do, different way of being in the business andalso looking at having a lifestyle and combining both of those together. so, welcome to thecall sean and itã­s great to have you on! sean: itã­s great to be here, thanks. tyrone: letã­s start off with just maybe sharinga little bit more about your story to the

audience to tell them a little bit more aboutwhat currently youã­re doing or letã­s take a step back. where did you start and how didyou get to where you are right now? sean: so originally, iã­m from the unitedstates, portland oregon. i graduated in a university like three years ago and i didthe traditional thing. i got a desk job, i worked in finance, suit-and-tie and it tookme about six months to realize that really, it was not the route i want to be going. istayed in that job up until the end of last year and finally i was like, ã¬you know what,i canã­t handle this anymoreã–i have to do something more interesting, more adventurousand so.ã® i left my job and thatã­s when i got in touch with dan and he said, ã¬hey,iã­ve got this opportunity in south east asia,

building some businesses and i want someoneto come out here and help me do that.ã® so i come again, here i hopped on a flight andhe basically said to pick a city where you want to go to and i said i want to go to thailand.i said i want to go to thailand so i hanged out in thailand for a month and i was kindof stuck. tyrone: and you also got a popular blog aswell, location180. i was actually following your blog for sometime and you got some reallyinteresting stories you share on there. whatã­s got you started writing in the blog? sean: well the whole reason i started theblog was because i knew i wanted to make a change and i had no idea what to do. i waslike i have got all these thoughts going through

my mind, i wanted to travel and i wanted todo something entrepreneurial. i just kind of said iã­m going to start a blog; iã­m goingto start writing and see whatever it takes me. i started it last may, itã­s may 2009.if you go back, the first posts were kind of about lots of places. iã­m talking abouttravel, trips iã­ve taken in the past, and also some random stuff. finally, i got intouch with some of the right people and got to find a niche that really seem to be workingfor me. that was the coolest part of the whole blog ã³ it helps you build up a sports system.by the time it came to make a decision to leave the job, i had all those people to helpme out, all supportive of it. thatã­s a nice by-product blog that i wasnã­t expecting.

tyrone: thatã­s nice. what weã­re you doingas you said before youã­ve decided flying to bangkok, what were you actually doing inunited states? sean: i was a financial analyst. i work fora small money management firm so iã­m basically crunched in numbers. i was researching stocksand helping decide whether or not they were the right things to be purchased for clients,some things like that. but, part of the problem was itã­s such a small company that you knowi was fresh out of school and theyã­re like ã¬you didnã­t really know what youã­re talkingaboutã–ã® kind of thing. i never really gained detraction. theyã­re able to pay a littlemore attention or raise the youth but i didnã­t think it wouldnã­t work out better. it wasjust wasnã­t the right type of business for

me. tyrone: okay, but youã­re still having a secureincome back there. youã­re living a decent life over there and to take that leap of faithand to jump over to bangkok to do what youã­re currently doing. it really took a lot of gutsdidnã­t it, to do what you did? sean: oh, it was terrifying. i remember theday when i left my job, i was like ã¬oh crap, now what do i do?ã® but, it was amazing howquickly things turn to fall into place. we didnã­t know that in a week iã­ll have otherjob opportunities, iã­ll have opportunities to travel and find friends. i really kindof found that when youã­re in a position to start embracing opportunities, youã­re neverreally going to find them. when i was in my

job i wasnã­t really looking for new things.but as soon as i didnã­t have that burden, then all sorts of things started to open upfor me. tyrone: itã­s amazing when you actually setyourself free from one place and you go into a new place, it just changes everything. sean: absolutely. tyrone: i notice youã­ve been sweating there,is it hotter there in manila at the moment? sean: itã­s a little hot here. itã­s likewe donã­t have an aircon and now, iã­m not seated in front of the fan anymore. itã­sdefinitely right up cooler there in bangkok. tyrone: all right, letã­s talk a little bitmore about currently where youã­re at. youã­ve

flown into manila and what was the story behindthat one. itã­s only been in the last week since it happened. sean: yes, so basically iã­ve been in bangkokfor the last four months, and thereã­s been a little bit of civil unrest. thereã­ve beena lot of protests going on and everything has kind of come into ahead during the lastweek or so, ten days. it was at the point where my apartment building happened to beone block away from very keypoint of confrontation between the protesters and the military. iwoke up one day and i went out to lunch and there was like 50 soldiers marching down mystreet and by the end of the night there would be constant gunfires, constant explosionsand i fell asleep watching clashes go off

my window with all the bombs going off. itwas pretty intense situation and it only got worse, my neighborhood has been basicallyburnt in the ground. i spent the last few days in bangkok over a friendã­s house onthe other side of town and finally the military decided to move in on the main entrapmentwhere the protesters were. that was when everything really went down and i just didnã­t see wherethe safe place be. i believe the country anyway is facing some visa reasons so i was likewell, where can i go? i called up dan and said iã­m coming to manila. five hours later,i was on a flight. tyrone: so youã­re in manila right now catchingup with dan. letã­s jump now to whatã­s happening with yourself and dan where youã­ve come ontothe mba program with dan. has it been six

months yet? sean: yeah, i think he started it in novemberso about six months ago. tyrone: okay, maybe to share with the audience,what is this tropical mba that youã­ve been participating with danã­s business as well? sean: behind the idea of the tropical mbais that you can go out and you can spend two years of your life and get $100,000 to geta traditional mba. obviously, you get to learn stuff but youã­re not learning in a lot ofreal, hands-on things that you need to know to run a business. and so, he said you knowwhat that systemã­s broken ã³ i can come out here, i can bring someone in and i can payfor their general living expenses, teach them

how to build a business and everybody getsabout that. so, iã­m coming out here and brought me to very high level of their business ã³basically said jump in. youã­ve been kind of getting cents in the first couple of weeksof the areas where you can add some value. anytime i needed help with anything or hadany idea that is, theyã­re always there. really, itã­s kind of being served by mentors. wework from building these businesses together. itã­s a cool, unique program and over thecoming years, i would expect a lot more things that will be driven this way because i knowthat the value that iã­ve taken from this program is equal, if not greater to anythingi would have got from traditional education. tyrone: awesome. it sounds like things aregoing really well for you. were you expecting

to be at in six months time since the start? sean: i donã­t know where i expect it to bein six months but iã­m really happy with the place that iã­m in. like i said i kind offigured out what iã­m going to be doing that comes alive. itã­s a six-month program andwe continue to work together ã³ just a matter of whether i stay in thailand, or like inmanila, will i go back in the states. itã­s cool to have that flexibility that not manypeople do. itã­s all been exciting. tyrone: definitely. it sounds like becausethe business is that you and danã­s business is very mobile, you can run the business toanywhere. thatã­s the reason why danã­s in the philippines and then his partnerã­s insan diego, and youã­re over thailand.

sean: yeah, thatã­s right. tyrone: and youã­re able to manage your mobilebusiness. sean: so we work with a team of people herein the philippines who are awesome. i think thatã­s been one of the most exciting thingfor me to be coming out here. sitting about 20 feet away from you right now, i get tosit down and work with them on a day-to-day basis these people that iã­ve been talkingto 4-5 hours a day, i never thought i get to meet them personally, thatã­s pretty fun. tyrone: thatã­s awesome. well, letã­s delveinto outsourcing which is a key topic that i think a lot of people are interested in.because now youã­ve got first-hand experience

with them physically sitting in manila rightnow, what kind of things currently the business is doing outsourcing to the philippines andhow does that been very beneficial for yourself and also to the business? sean: essentially, weã­ve got a team of fivepeople right now i think. weã­ve got two very dedicated developers, a designer, and alsocouple of people doing general kind of link building and article marketing kinds of tasks.itã­s cool because you find people up here who are motivated, they really want to work,theyã­re well educated and they speak english. you donã­t have that communication barrierã³ thereã­s a lot of people that you might have had in other developing countries. soitã­s really been a beneficial thing for our

business to see weã­ve got to have those dedicatedskills for the design, development and all that stuff and we can do it in much affordablecost as opposed to what would be in california, something like that. tyrone: what are we looking at, say for examplesomeone whoã­s just started out in outsourcing and theyã­re intersted in finding developerslike youã­re looking at right now it maybe for wordpress, php, drupal, any of those technicalstuff, what would you say itã­s like the cost of hiring someone in the us compared in hiringsomeone in the philippines? sean: well, i mean for any decent developerin the united states, thereã­s such a wide range. thereã­s people who are college studentsthat are having their another investment or

there are people doing nothing and then youã­llget professionals making six-figure incomes. i would say that the average person in theunited states is charging or making $50,000 a year, when you look at what you can getout in the philippines, granted some of the numbers get thrown around that there are reallyexpensive amount ã³ 100 bucks a month, 200 bucks a month, those are little unrealisticwhen youã­re trying to hire high level skills. but still, certainly not $50,000 a year. itã­smuch more affordable. tyrone: definitely, that means that youã­rebe able to leverage potentially a lot more with still hiring one person. in united states,you could hire up probably five instead and you can get as much time done quicker as well.

sean: with the amount of money you aim forone person in united states, youã­re getting a team of people that cover a variety of skillsthatã­s here. tyrone: absolutely. so far from your experienceof working with them, whatã­s been the differences between working with westerners and to peopleworking in the philippines. whatã­s the culture or whatã­s been the work ethic with them.how did you find working with them? sean: one of things i found in the philippinesis that from the moment i step foot in manila, it seems like california. itã­s very americanizedhere especially compared to thailand or any other developing countries. itã­s got peoplethat for fun they drink coors light and watch the nba. you can relate to them more thanyou can relate with other cultures i think.

like i said, the fact that most of them speakfluent english here, it makes everything much easier from both the social land of businessaspects. i feel like iã­m able to talk to them, get to know them and joke around withthem and that translates over to a good business relationship. i kind of getting involved witheverything that weã­re doing and been excited with the projects and i think thatã­s themost beneficial things weã­ve done in trying to build the business. tyrone: thatã­s excellent. since you mentionedabout talking about projects, a lot of people probably are also interested in finding outhow do you go about managing the projects. like say for example youã­ve got a team offive people now and obviously you wouldnã­t

be just managing with one person day in dayout, you probably have been dealing with multiple staff or team environment, what are some ofthe systems youã­ve got in place thatã­s able to help you work from bangkok or anywherefrom around the world that has enabled you to move through these projects quickly andget them completed on schedule? sean: generally, one of the most importantthings we do is we try to setup channels of communications so that people are bombardedwith constant messages. weã­ve got our team of people back in san diego, theyã­ll be sendingto us and we get 20-30 emails a day from the day of request. by filtering those throughsomeone like me or having them sort out which are the high priorities are and then transferthat into team, theyã­ll be bombarded of messages.

theyã­re receiving of messages from a dozenof people so itã­s really by organizing business in that sense. i think itã­s definitely helpedto increase the productivity as well as the clear communication. also, we found that usingskype is one of the best ways to coordinate with people. to talk whether itã­s conferencecalls, group chats, or quick questions, by setting up their skypes so that all they cansee is their work contacts. itã­s really an effective tool which is just sometimes underratedby other people. tyrone: absolutely, communication is crucial.youã­re basically acting us a filtering mechanism for the business to be able to get the workdone and make sure itã­s been sent over to right department or people so that work canbe done on time and completed. do you use

a project management system to do all thator do you just communicate via email and skype? sean: we also use the basecamp. thereã­s definitelysome pros and cons there and weã­re also in the process of seeing if thereã­s somethingelse thatã­s better out there but thatã­s what weã­re currently using. tyrone: thatã­s great. iã­ve heard over topeople who are outsourcing over to the philippines and using basecamphq as well so itã­s quitea simplistic system thatã­s something that we understand. also, if i remember correctly,dan mentioned that youã­ve got an office so have you, has your team or your company havepurchased a building? or is it just an old building and you setup an office or is itjust youã­ve hired another company to do this

for you? sean: that was one of the biggest reasonsi cannot hear timing lies thatã­s worked out. weã­ve just moved in our office last weekthatã­s actually i said it more looked like a call center than an office. there was anotherexpat here out here that had some space and dan talked to him. couple of days later, herewe are. itã­s really cool for the team to be able to come working on a centralized location,hang out with each other. i think it does a lot with productivity. itã­s like aftera while, not seeing anybody, you get a little lonely in your home office. itã­s definitelysomething that will help the social culture of the business. i think that having themto come in here four days a week could really

be good for morale and productivity. tyrone: excellent. so over time as the businessgrows, as yourself starts to grow the business and take a step back, what is it that youã­llneed to do to get yourself outside the business to be able to achieve that lifestyle of beingable to live the 4-hour, 10-hour work week working at most two hours a day. this is ithink something that a lot of people want to know because as youã­re going through thetropical mba program, youã­re learning how we design the businesses so weã­ll have theflexibility of lifestyle. sean: exactly. tyrone: how do you think we can achieve that?

sean: well i think thereã­s a variety of waysthat we can do it. i know from me personally, iã­ve got my own personal website, iã­ve gotmy own personal project thatã­ll be coming out there and thereã­ll be big product launchthat iã­ll be doing in the next couple of months that iã­m excited about. by creatingthe passive income on a personal level, that will enable me to have the income and littlebit of security and flexibility of my life from the general business standpoint. i thinkthe most important thing is being passionate about what youã­re doing. i come in here andi work, helping grow businesses and i donã­t necessary feel like itã­s work. you got the4-hour, 10-hour work weeks and i donã­t think any of those are necessarily true. i thinktim ferriss probably works more than anybody

who has every read his book. i think continuingthe scale of the business or the things that we should focus on most is creating scalableprocesses that we can outsource or have other people do and we can be a million-dollar orfifty-million dollar business, but the same general level of work is involved. once youget to that level and things start changing, as long as you got the right processes inplace, itã­s going to automate things and free up some of your time and youã­ll be ingood shape. thatã­s what weã­re trying to do here. tyrone: dan and yourself have been talkinga lot about scaling. define ã¬scalingã® in your terms.

sean: define scaling in my termsã– i thinkthe most important thing is being extremely queer about what youã­re trying to do. sowhen you create a process for instance one of the things we do is article marketing campaign.iã­ve got a very detailed process for knowing exactly what needs to be written, what theterms are and where they should be submitted, if i could give that to one person, 10 peopleor 50 people or how many people working on it and they can look at that and know exactlywhat they need to do, then thatã­s scalable. things like that, itã­s basically saying weã­regoing to do all the work now so in the future, thereã­ll be no additional work that needsto be done in terms of growing the business. definitely you can grow it organically byhaving the same process in place.

tyrone: itã­s really having like say for exampleyour flowchart of step by step documentations. all the things are in place to train the peopleso that they can take this all and you donã­t have to repeat the process over and over again,or coming back to sean for example to do the work. sean: exactly. especially when you got oneperson doing it, by the time you bring on another person to do it, the first is an expert.instead of me training them, itã­s them training them and it grows that way. thatã­s workedout well so far. tyrone: all right, weã­ve talked a lot aboutthe benefits and closures of outsourcing. what about some of personal issues or thingsthat youã­ve come across or challenges for

outsourcing the business? sean: i think that a lot of the challengesthat arise from outsourcing are the same issues that will arise in traditional business. forinstance, generally speaking people out here are extremely motivated, extremely hard working,but then youã­ll also get a lot of people who arenã­t. youã­ll have a lot of peoplethat are working home, they can say like ã¬you canã­t see me, you donã­t really know whatiã­m doing.ã® and sometimes theyã­ll tend to slack off a little bit. you really haveto keep an eye on those types of people and make sure that theyã­re not just trying totake advantage of you. weã­ve run into that a little bit but not really and generallyeveryone weã­re working with are extremely

motivated and they really feel are part ofthe team. tyrone: have you had any issues recently orin the past with hiring people? what are some of the things that you may have. have youhad someone whoã­s started or after a week or so it just didnã­t work out? sean: i think with dan i got first involved.generally iã­ve been working with the same team since i got here. weã­ve actually hiredone or two more people since iã­ve been here and we havenã­t had to get rid of anyone.i think he first started with a little bit of a learning curve trying to figure out exactlyhow to do business some things like that. he could probably tell you about that morethan i could but so far itã­s worked out well.

i think one of the keys that you can run throughis thereã­s people who speak extremely fluent english and they sound like theyã­re fromcalifornia and there are others who can speak it but can still have the strong accent. sometimesif you try to talk to them on the phone with a bad connection over skype it can be a littlebit difficult to understand. so i think communication eventhough if itã­s much easier here in thephilippines opposed to some places like thailand, still itã­s definitely one of the bigger issues. tyrone: absolutely. have you hired anyonefrom thailand by the way since youã­re over there? sean: not from thailand. generally eventhoughiã­m physically in bangkok, pretty much all

the work iã­ve been doing is back from statesand over here in the philippines. tyrone: is there any future expansion intoother countries or is it just going to be solely focused on hiring people from the philippines? sean: you know thatã­s a good question! ithink right now in terms of what weã­re doing, i think the philippines is where itã­s at.i think in terms of the quality of talent, affordability, i think thatã­s really thedirection that everythingã­s heading. i think we might see more expansion in the statesback in our san diego office but i think generally in terms of a lot of stuff weã­re doing, weã­regoing to be really focused in the philippines trying to get things in the next level here.

tyrone: fantastic. weã­ve talked a lot aboutthe business side, plans and the past and futures of the business, what do you havefor yourself sean. what are your future plans in terms of lifestyle, fun activities, andtraveling stuffs like that, what are your plans? sean: iã­ve got all sorts of things planned.iã­ll be doing the course over the next ten years. one of the biggest things is when istarted my blog location180, i put a list of stuff that i do want to accomplish on earth.all the fun things i want to do in my life and so iã­ve been slowly kind of plowing awaythose activities. i think that the more time i free up through the passive income stuffand bigger businesses i get, the more i get

to work on the fun stuff like skydiving, goingscuba, those kinds of things. tyrone: you got a big bucketlist thing therei remember. sean: itã­s like a hundred items or somethingright now but itã­s been interesting. iã­ve been randomly crossing things off. i wentto the airport and i had no idea where else i got to go so that happened just last weekand i was still debating between hongkong and singapore. i thought i gave dan a calland came up to philippines. that was one thing and i had a benefit coming here. well, itlets me have a good time and still gives me the freedom of time and i think thatã­s themost important thing. definitely iã­m right past so far so iã­ve been doing this for thenext four months and for the next 40 years.

tyrone: absolutely, sounds awesome. thatã­sfantastic. if anyone wants to get in contact with you sean, how can i contact you and wherecan i go to find out what you currently do? sean: well the best ways to contact me arethrough my website which is www.seanogle.com, s-e-a-n-o-g-l-e, or you can email me at sean@seanogle.com.those are probably the two easiest ways, iã­m with my computer all the time so iã­m nota real difficult person to get in touch with. very cool, one other thing that i will mentionis iã­ve been doing a tropical mba program and i was per semester. thereã­s a secondsemester, dan is accepting applications for that. itã­s a little bit different. itã­sbasically giving the opportunity to come down to a tropical island in the philippines, haveall their expenses paid down there and we

work on projects 2-3 hours a day, while continuingto work on whatever projects theyã­ve got for themselves so itã­s really unique opportunity.if you go to tropicalmba.com, you can find about that. i know that this opportunity haschanged my lifeã–so much. itã­s been honestly the best thing that could happen for me. ifyou give someone else an opportunity thatã­s something similar, thatã­s pretty cool. tyrone: thatã­s awesome. i love to share thatwith everyone. i think thatã­s a great thing. for anyone who wants to find out more, justgo to tropicalmba.com. i think we can also get in contact with dan andrews as well andheã­s got a lot information, highly recommended. well, sean, thanks so much for your time today,itã­s been a pleasure to interview you. thanks

for sharing all your inside tips on outsourcingto the philippines and iã­ll definitely catch up soon again. all the best! sean: thanks a lot, i appreciate it.

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